Comments on: Open and Generous – the two principals for the modern web. http://podnosh.com/blog/2007/08/08/open-and-generous-the-two-principals-for-the-modern-web/ Social media, active citizens, government, neighbourhoods and more. Thu, 11 Mar 2010 18:26:58 +0000 http://podnosh.com/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: When free is a bad deal - jon bounds http://podnosh.com/blog/2007/08/08/open-and-generous-the-two-principals-for-the-modern-web/comment-page-1/#comment-275 When free is a bad deal - jon bounds Sun, 13 Jul 2008 11:49:11 +0000 http://podnosh.com/blog/2007/08/08/open-and-generous-the-two-principals-for-the-modern-web/#comment-275 [...] In my daily trawl of everything relating to Birmingham that appears on the interweb I came across this story about a programme to provide community groups with websites, called E Voice and run in conjunction with Digital Birmingham. Sounds like a great deal, but I had reservations. I sent the link off to Nick Booth of Podnosh, who is a bit of an expert on community action on the web, voicing my concerns that the websites are awful and it seems to be funded through the use of proprietary tools (eg. ask.com refering). [...] [...] In my daily trawl of everything relating to Birmingham that appears on the interweb I came across this story about a programme to provide community groups with websites, called E Voice and run in conjunction with Digital Birmingham. Sounds like a great deal, but I had reservations. I sent the link off to Nick Booth of Podnosh, who is a bit of an expert on community action on the web, voicing my concerns that the websites are awful and it seems to be funded through the use of proprietary tools (eg. ask.com refering). [...]

]]> By: OurPress: websites for the rest of us | DavePress http://podnosh.com/blog/2007/08/08/open-and-generous-the-two-principals-for-the-modern-web/comment-page-1/#comment-274 OurPress: websites for the rest of us | DavePress Tue, 25 Mar 2008 17:09:46 +0000 http://podnosh.com/blog/2007/08/08/open-and-generous-the-two-principals-for-the-modern-web/#comment-274 [...] OurPress is a project I have been working on for aaaages, which stalled quite badly for a while. Essentially, the idea emerged in a discussion with Nick Booth in the comments of a blog post of his. We were talking about the paucity of options available to community groups to easily create open, social websites. At first I thought of Drupal, but soon moved on from there. I had the idea of setting something up with the multi-user version of WordPress, called WordPressµ, which is what is used to run WordPress.com. Sites could be created either as blogs, or as static sites using WordPress pages. Help and guidance would be provided in getting stuff up and running, and customisation of templates would be possible, with the results being shared among the rest of the users too. I gave the idea the name OurPress, and was shocked to find the .org was still available. I snaffled it right away, as well as a few of the .whatever variants. [...] [...] OurPress is a project I have been working on for aaaages, which stalled quite badly for a while. Essentially, the idea emerged in a discussion with Nick Booth in the comments of a blog post of his. We were talking about the paucity of options available to community groups to easily create open, social websites. At first I thought of Drupal, but soon moved on from there. I had the idea of setting something up with the multi-user version of WordPress, called WordPressµ, which is what is used to run WordPress.com. Sites could be created either as blogs, or as static sites using WordPress pages. Help and guidance would be provided in getting stuff up and running, and customisation of templates would be possible, with the results being shared among the rest of the users too. I gave the idea the name OurPress, and was shocked to find the .org was still available. I snaffled it right away, as well as a few of the .whatever variants. [...]

]]> By: Podnosh Blog : High Fibre Podcasting » Archive » The user is the content. http://podnosh.com/blog/2007/08/08/open-and-generous-the-two-principals-for-the-modern-web/comment-page-1/#comment-273 Podnosh Blog : High Fibre Podcasting » Archive » The user is the content. Wed, 27 Feb 2008 14:09:19 +0000 http://podnosh.com/blog/2007/08/08/open-and-generous-the-two-principals-for-the-modern-web/#comment-273 [...] It begins with the assumption that you can’t trust the public – or rather the public is just too risky to trust.   This has shaped too many public and private sector approaches to sharing with the audience. [...] [...] It begins with the assumption that you can’t trust the public – or rather the public is just too risky to trust.   This has shaped too many public and private sector approaches to sharing with the audience. [...]

]]> By: Podnosh Blog : High Fibre Podcasting » Archive » Katine: Is this “the” nptech experiment? http://podnosh.com/blog/2007/08/08/open-and-generous-the-two-principals-for-the-modern-web/comment-page-1/#comment-272 Podnosh Blog : High Fibre Podcasting » Archive » Katine: Is this “the” nptech experiment? Tue, 23 Oct 2007 00:23:07 +0000 http://podnosh.com/blog/2007/08/08/open-and-generous-the-two-principals-for-the-modern-web/#comment-272 [...] Elsewhere on the web: The Register is much more cautious than I, sceptical it will accomplish no more than fundraise. Paul Bradshaw is (rightly) excited by such a tangible application of journalistic crowdsourcing, whilst adding a list of how it can be improved – including better use of rss, embeddable video, a cleare way of involving the expertise thrown p (could a wiki with dig buttons help evolve and elevate innnovations and the people behind them). The paper also needs to be generous with linking to and talking about these supporters, which works. [...] [...] Elsewhere on the web: The Register is much more cautious than I, sceptical it will accomplish no more than fundraise. Paul Bradshaw is (rightly) excited by such a tangible application of journalistic crowdsourcing, whilst adding a list of how it can be improved – including better use of rss, embeddable video, a cleare way of involving the expertise thrown p (could a wiki with dig buttons help evolve and elevate innnovations and the people behind them). The paper also needs to be generous with linking to and talking about these supporters, which works. [...]

]]> By: Podnosh Blog : High Fibre Podcasting » Archive » It’ll be alright. http://podnosh.com/blog/2007/08/08/open-and-generous-the-two-principals-for-the-modern-web/comment-page-1/#comment-271 Podnosh Blog : High Fibre Podcasting » Archive » It’ll be alright. Thu, 30 Aug 2007 15:49:23 +0000 http://podnosh.com/blog/2007/08/08/open-and-generous-the-two-principals-for-the-modern-web/#comment-271 [...] This recent post on how attempts to create shared online platforms for community groups often founder has received quite a few comments.  In it I argued that being open and generous are key principles for success online.   David Brazeal has helped me identify another: optimism.  Part of what I was driving at is how risk averse public bodies tend to over moderate and control their online efforts, to the extent that they suck out the openness and freedom which makes collaboration work (see also today’s story about whether companies should ban Facebook). David sums it up: Here’s the secret to this—the negatives almost never happen. And when they do, they’re not a catastrophe—they’re no different than the bad things that happen to you in your everyday work life already. But the positives—those things you can’t even imagine yet—they happen all the time for people who simply make a commitment to participate in this online space. And with patience, those positives start spinning at them faster and faster, so that they can’t imagine having done their work without that resource. [...] [...] This recent post on how attempts to create shared online platforms for community groups often founder has received quite a few comments.  In it I argued that being open and generous are key principles for success online.   David Brazeal has helped me identify another: optimism.  Part of what I was driving at is how risk averse public bodies tend to over moderate and control their online efforts, to the extent that they suck out the openness and freedom which makes collaboration work (see also today’s story about whether companies should ban Facebook). David sums it up: Here’s the secret to this—the negatives almost never happen. And when they do, they’re not a catastrophe—they’re no different than the bad things that happen to you in your everyday work life already. But the positives—those things you can’t even imagine yet—they happen all the time for people who simply make a commitment to participate in this online space. And with patience, those positives start spinning at them faster and faster, so that they can’t imagine having done their work without that resource. [...]

]]> By: Dave Briggs http://podnosh.com/blog/2007/08/08/open-and-generous-the-two-principals-for-the-modern-web/comment-page-1/#comment-270 Dave Briggs Thu, 30 Aug 2007 06:27:05 +0000 http://podnosh.com/blog/2007/08/08/open-and-generous-the-two-principals-for-the-modern-web/#comment-270 Gah! You've turned off HTML! Try this for the link: http://groups.dowire.org/groups/ukie/messages/topic/5CzzlHdWzYswoxUb8BQtVB Gah! You’ve turned off HTML! Try this for the link:

http://groups.dowire.org/groups/ukie/messages/topic/5CzzlHdWzYswoxUb8BQtVB

]]> By: Dave Briggs http://podnosh.com/blog/2007/08/08/open-and-generous-the-two-principals-for-the-modern-web/comment-page-1/#comment-269 Dave Briggs Thu, 30 Aug 2007 06:26:35 +0000 http://podnosh.com/blog/2007/08/08/open-and-generous-the-two-principals-for-the-modern-web/#comment-269 I'll be honest and say that I don't really know :roll: But... this is an issue that has come up in a umber of different forums, most notably the UK Internet exchange list (let me know if the link doesn't work). I don't think it would take too much work to hack together a Drupal based community platform with a base in social media, that could be made available free to communities or local authorities wanting to put communities together (as is often the case) and supported through it's own community. I’ll be honest and say that I don’t really know :roll:

But… this is an issue that has come up in a umber of different forums, most notably the UK Internet exchange list (let me know if the link doesn’t work).

I don’t think it would take too much work to hack together a Drupal based community platform with a base in social media, that could be made available free to communities or local authorities wanting to put communities together (as is often the case) and supported through it’s own community.

]]> By: nick booth http://podnosh.com/blog/2007/08/08/open-and-generous-the-two-principals-for-the-modern-web/comment-page-1/#comment-268 nick booth Wed, 29 Aug 2007 20:23:10 +0000 http://podnosh.com/blog/2007/08/08/open-and-generous-the-two-principals-for-the-modern-web/#comment-268 Thanks for the comment Dave. I hope you're enjoying the new laptop. I'm a huge fan of number 1 - not least because it helps people link to each other - which is of course what the internet is. What do you have in mind for 2? Thanks for the comment Dave. I hope you’re enjoying the new laptop. I’m a huge fan of number 1 – not least because it helps people link to each other – which is of course what the internet is. What do you have in mind for 2?

]]> By: Dave Briggs http://podnosh.com/blog/2007/08/08/open-and-generous-the-two-principals-for-the-modern-web/comment-page-1/#comment-267 Dave Briggs Wed, 29 Aug 2007 18:50:13 +0000 http://podnosh.com/blog/2007/08/08/open-and-generous-the-two-principals-for-the-modern-web/#comment-267 Great post, Nick. There are two options here: 1) Wherever possible we instruct people in how to use existing, free tools to create the community they need 2) The many people with an interest in social media and community networks get together to develop something that is open and *useful*. I'd be up for either. D Great post, Nick.

There are two options here:

1) Wherever possible we instruct people in how to use existing, free tools to create the community they need

2) The many people with an interest in social media and community networks get together to develop something that is open and *useful*.

I’d be up for either.

D

]]> By: Simon Baddeley http://podnosh.com/blog/2007/08/08/open-and-generous-the-two-principals-for-the-modern-web/comment-page-1/#comment-266 Simon Baddeley Sat, 18 Aug 2007 21:47:55 +0000 http://podnosh.com/blog/2007/08/08/open-and-generous-the-two-principals-for-the-modern-web/#comment-266 Hi Nick Thanks for saying this. I know you've ben frustrated by the echoing passages of unused cyberspace on these so-called community forums. The silly thing is that they could be used by so many of us, but all my voluntary work with at least 4 community groups is done via other routes. What a crazy wasted loss of opportunity - or do the designers of these forums not want them used for the same reason as some librarians are supposed to hate to see their books sullied by being read. Best Simon Hi Nick
Thanks for saying this. I know you’ve ben frustrated by the echoing passages of unused cyberspace on these so-called community forums. The silly thing is that they could be used by so many of us, but all my voluntary work with at least 4 community groups is done via other routes. What a crazy wasted loss of opportunity – or do the designers of these forums not want them used for the same reason as some librarians are supposed to hate to see their books sullied by being read.

Best

Simon

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